Shang Harris





Velma Bell

District #2

Augusta, Ga.



EX-SLAVE INTERVIEW



Uncle Shang Harris

Toccoa, Georgia (Stephens County)





"Uncle Shang" Harris, at the age of 97, is more vigorous than many men

twenty years younger. Erect and stocky, holding his white woolly head

high, he retains the full favor of living. When the interviewer entered

his cabin he rose from the supper table wiping from his mouth the crumbs

of a hearty meal, and peered uncertainly through the gathering dark.



"Does I 'member 'bout slav'ey times?" His face relaxed into a broad

smile, "G-lory, hallelujah, I sho does! I was born den and freed den.

What you wanter know? I kin tell you all about it." He led the way to

two chairs near the stove.



"My marster was Mr. Bob Alexander. He lived in Franklin County jes' dis

side o' Carnesville. He treated me good--yes mam, he sho did. My marster

didn't have no beatin' o' his niggers. I didn't do no work back in dem

times--nuttin' but play. Me and my sister belonged to de youngest boy

(dey was seven boys in dat family) and we jes' climbed trees and

frolicked all de time. We had plenty in de eatin' line too.



"But law chile, eve'ybody didn't have dat. Some de marsters tied dey

niggers to posts and whupped 'em till dey nigh killed 'em. Lots of 'em

run away and hid in de woods. De marsters would put de dogs after you

jes' like a coon. Dey'd run you and tree you"--imitating the sound of

baying dogs--"oh, glory, hallelujah--dat's de way dey done 'em! I'se

seed bare feets all cracked up wid de cold. We don't have no cold

weather now. Why, I'se seed big pine trees bust wide open--done froze,

and de niggers would be out in dat kind o' weather. But dey'd ruther do

dat dan stay and git beat to death. Many a night jes' 'bout dark, I'd be

a-settin' in my cabin wid my ole lady (dat was after I got older) and

see somebody prowlin' roun' in de bushes, and I'd know hit was some po'

nigger was hidin' and didn't had nuttin' to eat. My marster nuse to say,

'Harris, when you see somebody hongry, gi' 'im sumpin' to eat'. We

didn't never turn 'em down even when dey look so bad dey was right

scarey.



"No'm, I never was sold. Mr. Bob nuse to say, 'I got hogs, horses, mules

and cows to sell, but no niggers.' He had 'bout twenty slaves. De

biggest portion of 'em stayed on de farm.



"Lots o' folks did sell dey niggers, and sometimes dey'd take yo' chile

and go to Alabama or Virginia, and you wouldn't never see him no mo'.

Dey kept de dark ones together and de bright ones together. Hit didn't

make no diffunce 'bout families. Dey warn't no marryin' 'mongst de

niggers way back in time. De marsters wanted you to increase to give 'em

more niggers, but dey didn't had no marryin'. I had three wives and I

got my fourth one now. Dey all treated me good.



"Dat mixed-up color in niggers come from slav'ey times. Some de marsters

beat de slave women to make 'em give up to 'em.



"Dey talks a heap 'bout de niggers stealin'. Well, you know what was de

fust stealin' done? Hit was in Afriky, when de white folks stole de

niggers jes' like you'd go get a drove o' horses and sell 'em. Dey'd

bring a steamer down dere wid a red flag, 'cause dey knowed dem folks

liked red, and when dey see it dey'd follow it till dey got on de

steamer. Den when it was all full o' niggers dey'd bring 'em over here

and sell 'em.



"No'm I never was hired out to nobody in slav'ey times. Didn't I tole

you we didn't do no work? I never seed no money--not a nickel. De most

money I ever seed was when my boss buried some when de Yankees was.



"We nuse to have frolics and break-downs all de time--quiltin's and

finger-pickin's and dances and all sech as dat. Finger-pickin's was when

we'd pick de cotton off de seeds by hand. We'd spread it down in front

o' de fire place 'cause it was easier to pick when it was hot.



"Does I 'member de old songs? Hallelujah, I sho does!" The old darkey

began to pat his foot and clap his hands while he sang, "Pickin' out de

cotton an' de bolls all rotten", repeating the same line over and over

to a sing-song melody as impossible of transcription as a bird-call.

Suddenly his smiling face fell serious and the song stopped.



"But since de Lawd saved me from a life o' sin, I don't think about dem

things. I don't 'member 'em much now. I been saved forty odd years."



"Was that a sinful song, Uncle Shang?"



"Dat's de devil's song, dat is. A-dancin' an' a stompin' dat-a-way!



"Folks nuse to have fights sometimes at de frolics but dey didn't do no

killin'. Hit ain't like dat now. Dey stob you now, but dey didn't do dat

den. Somebody'd always stop 'em 'fore it got dat fur."



"Yes'm, we sung spirituals. We sung 'De good ole-time religion', an'

sech as dat. I can't 'member all dem good songs now."



His middle-aged wife, washing dishes over the wood stove, struck up, "I

am bound for de promise land," and he joined in with a firm voice. But

neither remembered many songs distinctly.



"We didn't had no schools. Dey wouldn't let de white chillen tell us

about books. One day I axed about sumpin' in a book, and one de chillen

say, 'Mamma tole me not to learn you nuttin' or she'd whup me'."



Asked about holidays, Uncle Shang replied, "Thanksgiving we give thanks

in de church on our knees. Warn't no slave gallery. White and colored

all together and shouted together.



"Christmas we frolic and eat cake. We had serenades, too, on banjoes and

old tin pans and whatever you wanted to make a noise. And a gallon o'

liquor--anything you want!" with a loud laugh.



"Yes, mam, I 'members when de war broke out. Hit was on a Sunday

morning, jes' as clear and bright as could be. And Gen'l Lee prayed till

it thundered. Jes' 'fore de sun riz he was fixin' to go to a battle. He

got down on his knees and he jarred de worl'. Yes, mam, hit thundered

and when de folks heered it, dey all commenced runnin' todes him wid de

butts o' dey guns, and stacked de guns 'round a sweet-apple tree." Uncle

Shang was not quite clear as to who had stacked the guns, but he was

sure it had been done.



"I 'members when de Yankees come too. De Yankees come in--well,

hallelujah!--one Friday mornin' 'bout sun-up. Mamma took a notion to go

out in de syrup-cane patch, and I was settin' on de fence. I could hear

dem cannons a-boomin' and de sun was a-risin' so red jes' like blood.

Den I seed de Yankees a-comin' wid dey blue coats on an' all dem brass

buttons jes' a-shinin'. I holler, 'Mamma--look a-yo-o-onder!' One man

had a flag wid red on it--dat's for blood. One man come in a hurry and

say, 'All come to de house.'



"Den he look at me a-settin' on de fence, and he say, 'Hey, boy, you

mighty fat'. He talk and he talk and by dat time de yard was full o'

Yankees. 'Lemme ask you sumpin', he say, 'Where's de horses?' Wid dat,

he shot off a pistol--BAM!



"My boss had done took 'em off. I say, 'I don' know nuttin' 'bout 'em.'



"All dey got from our house was a big sack o' flour. Dey didn't burn

nuttin' o' ours. Dey say, 'You all feelin' so good, havin' a good

time--we won't take nuttin.'



"De calvary was here 'fore de Yankees was. Dey had on blue coats, too.

Dey make de boss haul corn all day a-Sunday to fed dey horses.



"Dey try to git de niggers to go back North wid 'em, and dey had a big

crowd o' colored goin', but I wouldn't go. A fust cousin to my Dad left

'cause dey beat him so. I think he done well in de North. But I didn't

want to go.



"After freedom was, some de marsters wouldn't tell you. But our marster

tole us. He said, 'You free as I is. If you want to stay wid me, all

right. If not, you know where to go.'



"Mistis warn't like de boss," (mimicking a precise, slightly acid

voice), "She say, 'I don't want to hear of no fightin' now. You'll git

your arms cut off if you fight.'



"But de boss keep her cooled down. He say, 'Arms cut off--huh! You git

yo's broke off if you don't hush.'



"After freedom, we didn't work for no regular wages--jes' knock about

like chillen 'round de house. I don't know how old I was den, but I

warn't no chicken. After while I worked on de railroad, de fust one

here, what used wood burners. I helped build it. Dey's great tall pines

growin' now where dat fill was made.



"White folks nuse to travel in wagons way back in time. When dey tuk de

cotton to New York dey went to Athens in de wagons wid oxen or mules,

and den to New York on de train. De ladies rid 'round town in

carriages--Rockaways--dem low one-hoss things. De driver sat on top. He

wore a big beaver hat and good clothes and heavy gloves.



"White folks had lots o' dances and eve'ything went well. People was

mighty nice in dis country.



"One my young bosses was a doctor. Dey didn't give dem little pills you

have now, what don't do no good. Dey made tea out o' devil's shoestring,

and yerbs out de woods, and blue mass pills. When babies come, dey had

mid-wives. Dey didn't do nuttin' to cut de pains--=you got to have dem=.



"Yes, mam, I knows 'bout cunjurs--plenty o' cunjurs. Dem cunjur-folks

takes weeds and yerbs, and fixes you so you can't sleep and can't eat

and bark like a dog. One man told a girl he'd fix her so green flies 'ud

follow her all de time--and dey did!



"One of 'em gin me some stuff once. Yes, mam, like to killed de old pap.

I had done found some money in Alabama, and another man wanted me to gi'

it to him so he put sumpin' in my coffee. When I tasted dat coffee I

started cussin' (I was wicked den)--I couldn't sleep--couldn't rest. My

nephew said, 'Somebody done hurt you!' My father-in-law tuk it off. He

made some tea out o' rattle-snake master, and I drunk dat and swallowed

a silver dime. Dat tuk de cunjur off. Some says it's good to take nine

silver pieces and boil 'em and drink de water.



"I knows sumpin' 'bout ghoses, too, but my foots got temper in 'em and

when I sees anything, I runs. People say dey ain't no sech thing, but

dey is.



"Dey was a house--people couldn't live dere, but a fellow said he could

go dere, so he went. Fust thing he seed a cat rarin' and pitchin' in de

fireplace. Den dey was a kickin' up in de loft, and here come a big old

dog a-spittin', and fire all spranglin' out. He rared and growled. Den

in come a woman. He say, 'What'll you have, lady?' She say, 'Dey's ten

thousand dollars buried right where I'm a-standin'.



"He stayed dere till he got it too. De devil was trying to scare him

off, but she wanted him to have it.



"People nuse to bury lots o' money 'way back in time, and lots o' folks

is found it.



"Good-luck and bad-luck signs, you say? Well, lemme see," The old man

paused to reflect and scratch his head. "Well, de bes' luck sign is to

git in wid de Lawd. Keep wid Him; He'll keep you sweet in yo' soul.

God's goin' to come down de mid-air. I seen dat one time. Jesus come to

me--you never seen de like of it--de chariots--oh, glory!--and de

purtiest singin' you ever heered, O-oh--g-lory, hallelujah! Dat was jes'

last year.



"I had a good life. I been enjoyin' myself. I enjoys myself now, but I

so old now I jes' staggers over de place. Can't do no work but chop wood

once in a while. I enjoys myself in prayer.



"When de relief folks fus' come here, dey wouldn't give me nuttin' but I

been prayin' and glory to Jesus I been gittin' little sumpin' ever

since dat time.



"De way things is goin' now, it's better dan in slav'ey times, 'cause

dey ain't no knockin' and beatin'. Things is gone too fur for dat now.

If eve'ybody would be o' one mind and serve de Lawd, dey wouldn't be no

troubles.



"I don't know whether I'll get th'ough dis winter or not. Hit was mighty

cold last year, and dey warn't much fuel. But I thanks de Lawd for all

He's done for me, and I'se ready to meet Him when he comes."





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